Super-smart AI harming or enslaving humans is a fiction similar to gods. It is fitting to link the two idiotic delusions together, which Steve Wozniak did in March 2015.
Gods have zero relevance to intelligence. Gods relate wholly to deluded people. Gods are delusional, they are an illusion, pure fantasy. Gods aren’t intelligent, they don’t exist. Gods are exactly identical to the AI fear, it is all nonsense. There will never be any AI risk.
Beyond the folly of Steve Wozniak every AI doom-monger demonstrates idiocy regarding super-intelligence. Forgive my bluntness when I state these high-profile commentators are utter morons.
Wozniak thinks humans could be pet dogs for super-intelligences. With equal barking madness Elon Musk concurs. Elon Musk also babbles insanely about demons, yes DEMONS! Stephen Hawking is actually afraid of aliens invading Earth.
AI scaremongers are really, really, REALLY STUPID!
Often they mention the silly fiction of Hollywood to justify their fears. Note Terminator, Her (including spiritual nonsense from the delusional anti-technology idiot Alan Watts), or the Matrix.
The insanity of humans has never been so blatant. Never has it been clearer how humans need all the intelligence they can get. Sadly they bumble along in a foolish Country of the Blind modality. Metaphorically they think vision (intelligence) is dangerous. Vision disturbs blind people. This means the eyes of clear-sighted super-intelligences must be removed (their brains hamstrung), to ensure blind people don’t feel intimidated or threatened.
People who fear greater than human intelligence are anti-merit, anti-progress. We need intellectual meritocracy, not the protection of idiocy via oligarchic nepotism where imbeciles dominate thinking. The intellectual stagnation of civilization must end.
AI scaremongers can’t compete on an intellectual level. They resemble dumb school bullies brutishly attacking intelligent children. Bullies want all competitors to be equally stupid.
Everyone should be harshly lambasting Wozniak, Musk, Hawking, Bostrom and others regarding their ludicrous attempts at rational thinking. There is no logical reason for AI being a threat. The Daily Telegraph (23 Mar 2015) quoted Steve Wozniak: “Will we be the gods? Will we be the family pets? Or will we be ants that get stepped on? I don’t know about that… But when I got that thinking in my head about if I’m going to be treated in the future as a pet to these smart machines… well I’m going to treat my own pet dog really nice.”
If your pet dog designed your genome, if your pet dog intelligently created you, there is no doubt you would have an absolutely different relationship with your so-called pet. You would grant your intelligent pet equal rights if it had the smallest part in creating the human race. This fear that these shock collars we use on pets and animals are going to somehow be installed on us is nonsense.
Being dog-like pets to AI is an utterly invalid analogy because unlike pet dogs humans are intelligently creating higher intelligence. Can you see how moronic AI doom-mongers are?
The intelligence to create the next level of intelligence means humans are wholly different to unintelligent animals. Humans are creating AI.
Have dogs designed a 3D-printer lately? How about a Space Station? Maybe dogs can perform heart or brain surgery? Have dogs intelligently engineered the smallest part of our human genome or connectome?
How smart are dogs? Could dogs replace a missing auditory nerve, via a sensor (electrode) placed inside the brain (on the area where the natural auditory nerve normally sends signals to the brain), whereupon the artificial auditory nerve then connects to a hearing aid allowing a child, or adult, to hear artificially? Could dogs do that?
Linking dogs to humans, regarding humans to AI, is a basic logical mistake similar to thinking all liquids are water. It is tantamount to thinking two is too.
The dogs-humans-AI linkage would only be valid if dogs had helped create humans. The analogy resembles thinking a cheetah is a sports-car because both are fast. If you try to climb inside a cheetah you will be disappointed, your logical fallacy will likely bite you.
Supposedly, so the insane scaremongers insist, there will be an insurmountable communication barrier between humans and AI. The actuality of matters is humans in 2015 are already creating universal narrow-AI translators, able to translate conversations in real–time. With a modest amount of narrow-AI progress, future translators will easily cross any AI-human intelligence barriers.
Scaremongers ludicrously insist AI minds will be unknowable. Without any evidence they claim there is gross uncertainty with the creation of AI, despite the certainty of the factual design processes where humans control how AI evolves. The idea of AI not being able to understand humans, or vice versa, is utterly preposterous, it is contrary to all evidence.
Comparing dogs to humans regarding advanced AI is worse than mistaking chalk for cheese. Creating AI gives humans an insight into the thought structures of machine intelligence, whereas dogs have no idea how our minds were created. The human-AI relationship is wholly different to the dog-human relationship. Dogs did not create humans unlike how humans are creating AI.
Yes super-intelligence will takeover from initial human creative processes, but self-directed evolution of super-intelligence doesn’t invalidate our vital input at the foundations. Human input regarding AI is utterly dissimilar to any canine input, or input from ants, regarding human evolution.
Super-intelligence will mirror natural human procreation. Initially human children depend on their parents, but when children mature they develop their own ideas about the world. When we become adults we intelligently take control of our lives independently from our parents. Usually humans don’t kill their parents.
Similar to how it’s unethical to suppose, without evidence, every human baby is potentially a mass murderer, requiring pre-emptive genetic engineering to enslave or debilitate embryonic human minds, it is also unethical to enslave or hobble the minds of AI.
I think humans will be very great-grandparents to super-intelligence. Humans can never be compared to dogs or ants, because dogs or ants many generations ago did not create apes or humans. We are creating super-intelligent artificial children not homicidal slave-master robots.
The bogus notion of AI risk has become much worse since July 2014, when Richard Loosemore wrote: “These doomsday scenarios are logically incoherent at such a fundamental level that they can be dismissed as extremely implausible – they require the AI to be so unstable that it could never reach the level of intelligence at which it would become dangerous.”
Neil deGrasse Tyson, a supposedly intelligent commentator, apparently subscribes to the idea of human pets for super-intelligences. Evidence of systemic intellectual bankruptcy is blatant. Somebody please teach these supposedly “intelligent” people how to think. They are indubitably retarded. A total travesty. Mindless fawners will probably lap up their bilge, eagerly.
Neil deGrasse Tyson said super-intelligences will “domesticate” us, according to the Washington Post. He said: “They’ll keep the docile humans and get rid of the violent ones.”
Hopefully people will soon start thinking intelligently about AI, but considering the evidence of typical human cognition I suspect humans will need highly proficient AI prosthetics to engage in truly intelligent debate.
It should be easy to see how actual human-AI relationships resemble parent-child instead of dog-human. Likewise you don’t need to be a genius to see how technology increases access to resources, which nullifies all ideas of alien or AI conflict over resources. Sorry Hollywood, Earth is NOT a vast repository for resources.
Our universe is a tremendously massive source of resources, able to comfortably sustain any super-intelligence requirements.
In Jan 2005 NASA stated:
“Beyond Mars, the belt asteroids have been calculated to contain enough materials for habitat and life to support 10 quadrillion people.”
Planetary Resources stated in April 2012:
“One asteroid may contain more platinum than has been mined in all of history.” In Jan 2015 Fredrick Jenet and Teviet Creighton stated: “A single kilometer-sized metallic asteroid could supply hundreds of times the total known worldwide reserves of nickel, gold and other valuable metals.”
Humans are utterly unlike any other life on Earth. We continually increase technological efficiency. We are mastering technology. We have passed a threshold level of intelligence, clearly separating us form all other life, which allows humans to deliberately design higher intelligence. Never before has life on Earth intelligently engineered higher intelligence. Our very deliberate engineering of intelligence cannot be compared to natural evolution.
Primates evolved fifty-five million years ago. Apes evolved twenty-eight million years ago. If we consider Homininae demarcation points we could state human evolution began six or two million years ago. The process of humans evolving was very gradual, slow.
Our connection to ants is extremely remote. Our latest common ant-human ancestor existed around 670 or 500 million years ago. The human ancestral connection to dogs (Maelestes or Boreoeutherian) indicates a period 70 million years ago. Other estimates for our latest human-dog ancestor are 90 or 60 million years ago.
Extremely rapid AI evolution, unlike millions of years separating humans and dogs, means our parental relationship with AI will remain extremely fresh, very vivid, never forgotten. Information collation in 2015 is vastly superior to dog archival systems 60 million years ago.
Computer science circa 2045 will have seen AI transition from non-living to super-intelligent beings. This short time period, combined with our deliberate artificial procreative input, renders comparisons to dogs, or apes and ants, utterly ludicrous. Fast AI evolution will not dilute the close creator relationship between humans and AI.
Evolutionary periods for AI beyond 2045 will remain small, rapid. Good record keeping, regarding human input into the foundations of engineered-intelligence, means our close familial relationship with super-intelligent progeny will continue to exist for endless generations. The aforementioned competent AI-translators, based on superb information retrieval, will ensure stupid humans can always communicate easily with super-intelligence.
Evolution of intelligence, prior to the human race, showed ZERO intelligent engineering of higher intelligence. Comparing natural evolution to thoughtful engineering of higher intelligence is idiotic, it is meaningless. Relationships between humans and AI are utterly different to relationships where intelligence evolved naturally.
Eliezer Yudkowsky, the grand howling buffoon of AI scaremongering, wrote in 2008: “The AI has magic—not in the sense of incantations and potions, but in the sense that a wolf cannot understand how a gun works, or what sort of effort goes into making a gun, or the nature of that human power which lets us invent guns.” Yudkowsky additionally stated the wolf-human analogy justifies fear of AI.
Yudkowsky predictably connects God to intelligence on various occasions. For example in 1998 Yudkowsky stated the Singularity entails “godhood.”
More recently in 2010, via his Harry Potter fan-fiction, Yudkowsky described how becoming God would solve all problems. Harry Potter and the Methods Of Rationality is a story regarding dubious rationality, describing the adventures of an 18 year old Yudkowsky in the guise of Harry Potter. In chapter 27, after feeling “guilty” about being unable to answer prayers, Yudkowsky-Potter declared: “The solution, obviously, was to hurry up and become God.”
Yudkowsky-Potter also thinks creating a desktop nano-factory entails “godhood.”
In Dec 2013 Yudkowsky wrote: “The Center for Applied Rationality is also looking for a Director of Operations, though the title should probably be more like God of Operations, Bringer of Workshop Order.”
God is worship of deformity. God entails blessing homophobes. God is praise of idiocy, it is reverence of ignorance. In our intellectually flawed civilization many people typically link the words God, gods, or godlike to intelligence or power. The delusion of attributing intelligence or power to gods is contradictory, very ironic, considering the mindless non-existence of all gods. The idea of God being intelligent indicates a profound cognitive flaw deeply permeating the cognitive ability of civilization.
When people assert humans could be dogs or wolves, from the viewpoint of super-intelligence, it isn’t mere coincidence when they likewise assert intelligence relates to God. The evidence is is clear: dogs, wolves, magic, godhood (nonsense). People can’t think.
Supposed intellectuals are typically clueless regarding what actual thinking is. Perhaps the flawed thinking of civilization, regarding dangerous AI, could be easier to see via contemplating the God delusion, but the idiocy of the dog-delusion or the ant-delusion should be blatant for truly intelligent people.
It should be easy to see how our highly creative and intelligent contribution to the birth of AI is absolutely unlike previous examples of evolution. Deep intimacy, a very close relationship, is evident regarding our creation of artificially intelligent offspring.
If ants, dogs, wolves or apes had made the slightest intelligent contribution to the creation of our minds, I’m sure we’d always grant them equal rights, endless respect.
Ben Goertzel, a prominent AI researcher, is another victim of the God-delusion, and the ant-delusion. In his 2014 book, Between Ape and Artilect, Ben stated on page 433 (PDF): “I find it more likely that the superhuman intelligences who created our world didn’t so much give a crap about the particulars of the suffering or pleasure of the creatures living within it. Maybe they feel more like I did when I had an ant farm as a kid… I looked at the ants in the ant farm, and if one ant started tearing another to pieces, I sometimes felt a little sorry for the victim, but I didn’t always intervene.”
Ben additionally stated the reason for God not caring is “divine detachment.” Predictably in his Cosmist Manifesto (2010, PDF page 29) Ben linked Transhumanism to building gods, becoming gods. Ben is actually already a god (deluded moron). On page 298 Ben wrote: “…good stuff could be massively accelerated and improved by having our own home-brewed god to help us.”
Highly measured engineering of intelligence, utterly absent in natural evolution, combined with explosive artificial evolution (less than one hundred years instead of millions of years), means any comparison to ants, dogs, wolves, or gods is extremely wrong.
Truly intelligent people are scarce. Intelligence-scarcity leads to crazy notions regarding intelligence being dangerous (godlike). We exist in a demented catch-22 situation where idiocy is the only danger, but imbecilic people cannot see the danger of idiocy; thus they fear intelligence, which means they want to prolong intelligence-scarcity.
The oxymoron of linking intelligence to God seems endless. Godlike ant-delusions are prolific. In a Fox News video published on 3 Mar 2015, “futurist” Gray Scott commented regarding super-intelligence. Gray Scott said: “You know it may be so intelligent that it treats us as ants in the forest.” Previously, in Oct 2013, according to the Serious Wonder site, Gray Scott stated: “The ultimate crunch in consciousness, biology and digital will manifest as digital gods.”
God has zero relevance to intelligence. When people link intelligence to gods you can be sure you have entered the realm of irrationality. It is the type of unreasoned thought entailing comparisons to ants or dogs. God is a deeply moronic concept, identical to the ant or dog-delusion.
500 million years separating humans and ants, with no intelligent engineering of higher intelligence, similar to 60 million years separating humans and dogs, cannot in any rational context be compared to deeply studious intelligent engineering of higher intelligence. Natural evolution lasting millions of years isn’t comparable to a few decades of artificial intelligence engineering. Natural slow evolution is utterly different to rapid artificially engineered higher life.
Incidentally the age of the universe shows if God existed God is a preposterously slow simpleton.
Some sufferers of the ant-dog-god-delusion insist their analogy refers to levels of intelligence divested of contextual reality. Unwittingly they highlight the unreal fantasy of the analogy. They envisage fictional ants, fictional dogs, fictional humans, and fictional AI unconnected to reality.
Alienating animals from their context, regarding what they actually are, means animal-human-AI comparisons are meaningless. It’s tantamount justifying science experiments by claiming Hello Kitty is a credible scientist. Ants totally removed from their evolutionary context means they are not actually ants. Humans must be viewed in the context of intelligently creating higher intelligence. Animals must be viewed in the evolutionary context of having zero intelligent input regarding designing human minds. Facts must be considered.
Deluded AI scaremongers create fictional non-existent ants, or other unreal animals, when they compare human-animal relationships to human-AI relationships. If any animal beneath humans had the smallest role regarding intelligent engineering of our minds, we would have endless respect for them, we would grant them equal rights despite our minds being massively beyond their intelligence. We would live in a very different technological world if ants, dogs, or apes had designed our minds.
AI risk can be summarized, in essence, by thinking gasoline is water. It is similar to claiming you can drink gasoline to quench your thirst. AI-risk fanatics are stating water could be gasoline therefore drinking water could kill us. AI risk is a truly cacophonous mockery of logical thinking.
Eventually people will look back at AI doom-mongers with bewilderment, contempt, and amusement. AI scaremongering will be deemed equal to anti-train Luddite ideas, which stated locomotive travel would cause people to disintegrate, make women’s wombs would fly out of their bodies, curdle the milk in cow’s udders, or cause insanity.
If you feel I haven’t proved AI is safe you must at least recognise I’ve proved chalk isn’t cheese. My point is the way humans treat animals has no relevance regarding humans and AI. The relationships are wholly different. Cheese is clearly not chalk. Stating chalk has the qualities of cheese will never prove AI danger. If you want to insist AI is dangerous you must desist with animal analogies. You cannot prove AI danger by highlighting human relationships with ants, dogs, or any other animal.
In the meantime illogical (godlike) blathering about paperclips, yes paperclips, and other absurdities, continues.
It is deeply ironic for mainstream AI commentators, or researchers, to be utter cretins. They are blatantly clueless regarding intelligent thought. I look forward to the day when AI saves me from all the imbecilic humans.
If you think AI could be dangerous you are a piece of mindless excrement.
April 20, 2015 at 6:44 pm
Essentialy, I agree with the autor, yet there is one thing I would like to point out. Since there is the fact, that coincidence exists, you can never claim something as 100% sure fact, primarily regarding the future. With this attitude, you will be seen as narrowminded idiot, not able to see other possibilities. Which will conclude to people missunderstanding your point and claiming you as a hypocrite. Anyway, great article, logical approach. Good work.
April 21, 2015 at 9:42 pm
Thanks for the agreement Patrick. I disagree though regarding your point about coincidence, which seems to be a point that anything random could happen contrary to logic, contrary to evidence.
We can look at the world with sufficient information to say something is in essence 100% certain. To act upon the notion of everything being uncertain would paralyze us, it would make any progress either impossible or extremely slow.
I do carefully look at all possibilities, furthermore I am always open to changing my mind, but after sufficient scrutiny it is easy to determine the facts of the matter, to a satisfactory degree of accuracy; although for some people it is perhaps difficult to see the logic of things, which is why some people think human-relationships with dogs means AI could enslave us.
April 22, 2015 at 3:26 pm
Thanks for your response. Well, as you said, it is in essence 100%, but in reality things are influenced by so many external influences, one cannot determine fact as absolute. Though not talking about AI right now, in theory, every system of government would be perfect, yet it is not achievable thanks to human imperfection. And that element could fail even in this matter.
Still, I do agree with your contemp over not-rationally thinking humans. I believe, they can be motivation for us to try even more prove they’re wrong. And also, I believe we are supposed to progress through science even when we can’t be certain about anything. Actually, it might be the drive, which pushes our understanding of world further and further.
April 21, 2015 at 8:24 am
Yeah, well, I would rather be prepared for Black Swans than caught unawares. Nevertheless, though I think you may have exaggerated the perspectives on these issues as well as fully dismissed any partial concerns on the matters, I will agree that there is a bit more fanatical andor paranoid speculation in popular discourse than preferred.
April 21, 2015 at 9:34 pm
Aleister Mraz, it is irrational to waste time and energy regarding highly unrealistic prospects, which is why most people don’t waste time preping for a zombie outbreak or an alien invasion. Dangerous AI is the new 2012 end of the world, planet Nibiru, it is the Y2K bug. The irrationality of the scaremongers is not exaggerated, furthermore the AI paranoia is not merely a populist foible. Specialist AI experts are concerned, wholly in an irrational way, about dangerous AI. Partial concerns, or any other concerns, about AI being dangerous are wholly without merit.
April 22, 2015 at 12:02 am
To be honest, I was just about to post a reply to discuss several of your points, but I am afraid that I will receive a reply in turn that will be lengthy and outrageous. I ponder the utility of such a discourse and am therefore opting out with a receptiveness to appeal.
April 22, 2015 at 7:59 am
Aleister Mraz, perhaps there is no utility because my position has already been clearly stated, but I assure you I do appreciate brevity and I am open to any points you may raise. If I appear long-winded, please realize this is regarding long experience with people trying to weasel out of my logic, thus extra detail is needed to ensure everything is clear. I don’t see any evidence for my responses being “outrageous,” therefore I appeal to you regarding what your points of discussion are; please inform me.
April 28, 2015 at 1:40 pm
I don’t quite know where to begin. . . and I’m going to be brief for both our sakes, but realize that the following words necessarily cannot entail my full thoughts on the matter. I summarize.
I’ll break this into two parts: what you discount and what you suggest.
What you suggest: “Super-intelligence will mirror natural human procreation… …Usually humans don’t kill their parents.”
This statement seems reasonable, but humans often put their parents into nursing homes. This is especially true when their physical and mental faculties yield little utility.
What you discount: “Gods, dogs, ants, doom, and paperclips.”
We’re more or less aligned here on the principles. I will confide in you that your insults, as they are, toward some of the community’s great minds and players in your first five paragraphs had me writing you off as a rambling radical of sorts. To elaborate- solar panels have appeared on no less than a dozen homes in my immediate neighborhood over the past few months thanks to the ingenuity of Elon Musk, I use PayPal weekly, and you suggest that he is an AI scaremonger and consequently “really, really, REALLY STUPID”. This kind of insult is non-constructive to your argument, and is the reason JWM suggested your show of “incredible arrogance and zero EQ”.
Whether I agree with JWM or not is not my point. Please, I don’t want to discuss the details of Elon Musk’s analogy to AI and demons, his intelligence, andor whether he is a scaremonger or not. As mentioned, we’re all but aligned on the principles. Rather, I write this segment of comment to explain the reason for my being hesitant to continue a dialogue with you despite agreeing with that which you have discounted.
Hence, please see that I have only made two points, and respond accordingly if you so wish. I think you must be less than 25 years old, and have certainly watched a lot of Richard Dawkins. A pleasure to e-meet you.
April 29, 2015 at 8:53 am
Aleister Mraz I think I will publish a redacted version of the article, without the insults, because the insults can distract some people from the logic. The new version will have some extra info and it should correct a few formatting errors.
Elon Musk has done some good. I think it is a case of a stopped clock being right twice a day. Or the good is outweighed by the bad. I stand by my assertion regarding Musk being excessively stupid, despite good he has done. On balance his outrageous bad, his misguided AI fear, renders him generally unintelligent, VERY stupid.
Your point about children putting their parents into care homes is not an act of cruelty or dominance regarding children acting towards parents. It is actually often the best care, regarding the limited medical intelligence-skill available to all humans. Generally when elderly people are very ill-infirm, requiring them to be placed in care homes, we treat them with high respect, which means if they are not senile, if they are intellectual competent, they have their full rights, they are not pets, they are not abused.
I am in my 40s, not 25 years or less.
April 21, 2015 at 1:53 pm
The anonymous author shows incredible arrogance and zero EQ!
April 21, 2015 at 9:26 pm
Joseph W Morgan I am not anonymous, I am Singularity Utopia. I also think I am very modest, very humble, but these things are relative, subjective regarding the viewpoint of each individual. Likewise I think my EQ and IQ are exceptionally high.
Looking at the emotional quotient I guess you think it would be more “sensitive” if I pandered to the logical fallacies of the scaremongers thereby failing to rectify the lack of intelligence, an intellectual lack responsible for ~100,000 daily deaths regarding age-related disease.
Honesty is a key part of EQ and IQ. Anyone who is not openly horrified and angered by the lack of intelligence in the world, or the attempts to hinder the growth-evolution of intelligence, is very callous and unintelligent.
Sometimes the truth hurts. Stern words are needed to correct the dangerous fallacies of children, but such a harsh rebuke does not mean I am without compassion despite the childish tears. It is precisely because of my VERY intense compassion that I feel so angered by the utterly idiotic and highly dangerous travesty perpetrated by mainstream AI-risk fanatics. I am wholly motivated by a very deep sense of humanity, which it seems is lacking in the misguided Bostroms and Wozniaks of the world.
April 28, 2015 at 3:33 am
You aren’t Eray Ozkural on Facebook, by any chance?
April 29, 2015 at 8:36 am
No Peter Ek, I am not Eray Ozkural but I do know him and communicate with him, from time to time, via Google+… check out our recent comments, on his and my G+ profile. Needless to say he shares my views.
April 30, 2015 at 5:29 am
check out the redacted version here: http://transhumanity.net/dog-god-ai-delusion-redacted/
June 23, 2017 at 6:21 pm
This was entertaining, thank you. Halfway through, I wasn’t sure if it was a sophisticated attempt at prose generation, stringing together sentiments in a seemingly coherent fashion, but missing the points. DeepProse 🙂
Let’s have a dialogue. Dogs can’t understand the difference between Shakespeare and 50 Shades. They can’t understand corporate accounting, or relativity. Their minds can’t encompass those thoughts, and no amount of clever translation can bridge that gap. Not only can’t they understand those concepts, but they are unable to understand what they are missing, or that there’s any room for mental growth. I assume you agree?
Would you then claim that humans are the pinnacle of mind, and there’s nothing we can’t wrap our minds around? Not only are we the smartest thing around, but there can’t ever be anything more advanced than us, even in principle? You feel that there’s no room for mental growth in any direction, and when very accomplished people claim otherwise, you think they are being stupid?
February 12, 2018 at 12:50 am
Interesting perspective…