This week I talk play, innovation, noise, disruption, cryptocurrency, and trickster creativity with Michael Phillip, host of sister podcast Third Eye Drops, which I’m on A LOT – episodes 102, 88, 58, 44 with Doug Rushkoff, 38 with Niles Heckman, 28 with Bruce Damer, 21 with Erik Davis, 9 with Shane Mauss, 4 with Erik Davis, and this special mashup episode.

This one was originally recorded as Third Eye Drops Episode 239, but I went ahead and painstakingly edited out over ten minutes of filler language and head-scratching to give you the sharpest and most-polished conversation possible. If you appreciate these conversations and the extra work I put in to make them shine, please support Future Fossils on Patreon! Patrons gain access to over twenty secret episodes, unreleased music, our book club, and many other great things as they spill out of my overactive imagination.

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Intro and outro music by Skytree.

Michael Phillip has appeared on Future Fossils before: Episode 14 on WestworldEpisode 52 on Blockchain with Jennifer SodiniEpisode 67 on Magic & Media with Douglas RushkoffEpisode 135 on The Cosmic Yes

Related External Sources:

Buy all the books we talk about on this show from my Amazon Storefront.

Lewis Hyde – Trickster Makes This WorldAndreas Wagner – Life Finds A WayAndreas Wagner – Arrival of the FittestRichard Dawkins – Climbing Mount ImprobableRichard Doyle – Darwin’s PharmacyWilliam Irwin Thompson – The Time Falling Bodies Take To Light

Andreas Wagner at Nautilus – Why It Pays To Play Around(*I mistakenly said the article was published at Quanta)

William Irwin Thompson et al. – The Lindisfarne TapesAdi Livnat – Simplification, Innateness, and the Absorption of Meaning from Context

Phil Ford’s Musicology Lectures on the Weird Studies Patreon

WJT Mitchell – The Work of Art in the Age of Biocybernetic Reproduction(*I mistakenly said this was “Biomechanical Reproduction”)

Chris Ryan – Tangentially Speaking 69 with Daniel Vitalis

James Nestor – The Future of Breathing at The Long Now Foundation

Evolutionary fitness landscapes visualized by @_baku89 on Twitter

Related Future Fossils/Michael Sources:

MG – Cosmic Perspectives From A Fractal Planet (Burning Man 2013)

MG – Advertisement is Psychedelic Art is Advertisement (2011)

MG – We Will Fight Diseases of Our Networks by Realizing We Are Networks (2020)

MG – “Ride It” music video (2005)

Future Fossils 125 – Stuart Kauffman on Life, Physics, and the Adjacent Possible

Future Fossils 160 – His Dark Materials: Narnia, Fillory, and Coming of Age in the Multiverse, with Stephen Hershey & Kynthia Brunette

Future Fossils 159 – Michael Dowd on Post Doom: Life After Accepting Climate Catastrophe

Complexity Podcast 51 – Cris Moore on Algorithmic Justice & The Physics of Inference

And when you’re ready to switch it up, here are my music and listening recommendations on Spotify.